Logic Pro, Loupe Art, and the Age of Abundance with Dot Bustelo
- Evan Nickels
- Oct 1, 2025
- 20 min read
On this week’s episode, Dmitri sits down with Dot Bustelo, a former Apple Logic Pro team member and the innovative mind behind Loupe Art. We talk about everything from a post-it from another innovator that changed everything to the age of creative abundance. It's a blast.
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[00:00:00] Dmitri: Dot Bustelo spent a decade on Apple's Logic Pro team before founding Loupe Art, a patented digital art and music streaming platform. Featured on 14 global TV networks and later acquired by Stingray Group. She now helps scale emerging AI powered creative tech companies driving market development at beethoven.ai, remote control enterprises, and Collimation.tv, an Emmy award-winning, audio engineer and longtime electronic music producer dot also served on the recording Academy's P&E Advisory Council, and she's the author of the Amazon Bestseller, The Power of Logic Pro. She brings a unique lens to how creative startups can thrive in the era of abundance. Hey Dot, so great to have you on music tectonics.
[00:00:44] Dot: Thanks for having me, Dimitri. It's great to be here.
[00:00:47] Dmitri: So you recently spoke about the age of abundance at the Wallifornia Music Tech Summit in Leige Belgium. What do you mean by the age of abundance?
[00:00:56] Dot: Sure. I'm gonna take it back, for a minute. In the summer of 2014, I gave a talk in Paris to PhD students enrolled in a digital economy program, and I titled that talk.
Everyone is a DJ. This is back in 2014, and I spoke about the oversaturation of content creation, the need for better antennas and filters. I was concerned, apple had introduced Apple Loops, these phenomenal royalty free samples. We had tractor, we had Serato, and suddenly everyone was a dj. In fact, when I said to people, I produce music, they're like, oh, are you a dj?
I'm like, no, I produce music. And so today it's an even more complex world where more are bombarded with content, with tools, with workflows, with distribution choices. Yet somehow I'm. Less conflicted. And I frame, our conversation with more optimism that this is the age of creative abundance.
[00:02:08] Dmitri: Mm.
[00:02:09] Dot: and, I divide the age into three chapters,
[00:02:13] Dmitri: Alright,
[00:02:13] Dot: in part for the sake of a 20, 30 minute conversation.
chapter one. I take back that those 20 years to when everyone did become a DJ and everyone could make a beat. Serato Scratch, let you manipulate your digital files with a tactile feel inside your computer. And beat match beat detection Garage Band, introduced that came out in 2004 on the heels of the AKAI MPC, the sampling revolution, and, you know.
The Apple loops. I'm gonna mention them again. They're licensed free. They're royalty free, they're phenomenal. then I go to what I call chapter two.
[00:02:58] Dmitri: Alright
[00:02:58] Dot: that whole, everyone became a dj that was about a democratization of tools. before I go to chapter two, I do wanna pause on, you remember Rihanna's umbrella.
[00:03:11] Dmitri: Mhmm Yeah, sure.
[00:03:12] Dot: Okay. sold 6 million copies. I think you know what I'm gonna say about Rihanna's umbrella, don't you? Uh,
[00:03:19] Dmitri: let's see what you say. You're gonna tell me it's Apple loops.
[00:03:24] Dot: Uh, okay. It is one of the, I will tell you, it was one of the best selling singles of all time. The entire drum truck of umbrella is one apple loop.
Wow. Vintage king. Vintage funk kit. 03
[00:03:42] Dmitri: Vintage
[00:03:43] Dot: entire drum track.
[00:03:45] Dmitri: Wow.
[00:03:45] Dot: It's on YouTube. So was that cheating or the highest form of creativity that those producers were digging through the crates of Apple Loops and found the beat for umbrella? It's a rhetorical question.
[00:03:59] Dmitri: Yeah,
[00:03:59] Dot: but you're willing to answer.
You're, you're free to answer. Um, so then chapter two is what I refer to in the age of creative abundance as the creator economy. And this is a big deal. this emerged with the rise of social media. And streaming, making it easier to not only create, but distribute and monetize on your own terms.
and, YouTube, coined that term of the creator in 2011, noting that. Anyone can make and distribute content. You don't have to be a celebrity. And the creator and the creator economy came to be associated with some really important concepts, empowerment, direct connection with your fans, community building independence, diversity of content, and direct monetization.
And that chapter of the creator economy is still highly relevant.
[00:05:01] Dmitri: Mm-hmm.
[00:05:01] Dot: I know we're gonna talk about that. Well, we might get to talking about that more later. Is that clear what I'm talking about?
[00:05:08] Dmitri: Yeah,
[00:05:08] Dot: everyone.
[00:05:08] Dmitri: Absolutely. So, lemme see if I
[00:05:10] Dot: can, can
[00:05:11] Dmitri: totally,
[00:05:11] Dot: participate and earn, and then I'll get to chapter three,
[00:05:14] Dmitri: Yeah,
let me crystallize for myself.
[00:05:16] Dot: Sure.
[00:05:16] Dmitri: so in a way the DJ's kind of side of it was sort of like. Everybody could start to play music in a way, because they started to do it in a way, there were tools that gave access where they didn't necessarily need to go through the traditional path to becoming a musician.
[00:05:29] Dot: That's right.
[00:05:30] Dmitri: But they were engaged in getting music out there, playing music, et cetera.
[00:05:34] Dot: That's right,
[00:05:34] Dmitri: but now you're talking about. These other tools that came along at the same time that allowed for sharing and distribution
[00:05:41] Dot: Yes.
[00:05:41] Dmitri: And listening that created more access. So first it's on the creation side in a sense.
[00:05:46] Dot: Mm-hmm.
[00:05:47] Dmitri: With DJs having a fast forward button to be able to put something out. And then you have
[00:05:51] Dot: And producers. And
producers.
[00:05:51] Dmitri: And producers. Right.
Yeah, certainly with the samples and the loops and the beats that you were just talking about as well.
[00:05:55] Dot: Yeah.
[00:05:56] Dmitri: And then you have this new element that is like, okay, now that we've got the creation component of it coming together in a new way of abundance.
[00:06:03] Dot: Yes.
[00:06:03] Dmitri: You're also having the distribution, the marketing, the streaming also now has abundance as well.
[00:06:08] Dot: That's right.
[00:06:09] Dmitri: Got it.
[00:06:10] Dot: And it's a shift in mindset with this creator economy that those creating and DJing. And any kind of creative content, maybe they're a comedian that they matter and they can participate financially.
[00:06:30] Dmitri: Right. It's almost like it goes hand in hand with like an independence as well, sort of like
[00:06:34] Dot: That's exactly it.
[00:06:35] Dmitri: You're freeing somebody up that doesn't. Sure. There's things that traditional team members and music can do, record labels and marketing people and publishers and all these team members, but there's also a sense of sort of like.
You can do some of that stuff yourself more.
[00:06:48] Dot: you certainly can. There is direct monetization. It's not as easy as it looks or sounds. but yes, there are these new paths to direct monetization with the creator economy.
[00:07:04] Dmitri: Yeah. Cool. So let's get to chapter three.
[00:07:06] Dot: You get one guess, but.
I'll just say it. Ai.
[00:07:12] Dmitri: Mm-hmm.
[00:07:12] Dot: Okay. This is chapter three. In the age of abundance, the floodgates to infinite creativity, not just in the music realm, but across all of the creative industries. It's extremely, extremely powerful. I like to think of it as the age of creative abundance. There's a lot of fear, there's a lot of concerns, but fundamentally, the power to create across any creative medium has been deeply accelerated with ai.
[00:07:49] Dmitri: Mm.
So it's almost like the first part with the DJ was allowing people to engage in music. But in a way, now AI is saying, oh, there's lots of new building blocks you can use to get you to create all kinds of content.
[00:08:02] Dot: At that time when everyone could become a DJ and everyone could make a beat by drag and dropping in an apple loop, that was happening already with software tools across all of the creative disciplines as well, and photography with Photoshop, et cetera, et cetera.
with iMovie you can make a movie, so it's been happening with software tools making it. Easier and easier to create. That started, I'm marking it at 20 years ago. a deeper progression that goes back before that.
[00:08:41] Dmitri: Good point.
[00:08:41] Dot: But what's happening with AI is it's certainly with gen ai, it's accelerating those capabilities,
[00:08:50] Dmitri: right?
Yeah. So, say more about why that's a chapter of itself.
[00:08:54] Dot: Whew. Uh, there are tremendous, legal and business considerations at play with the capabilities of Gen AI that could fill the rest of our conversation, but the capabilities of gen AI are tremendous, they're just so cool what you can instantly create with Mid Journey with AI film tools and they still take a skill and a practice to take it to something materially fresh.
But the capabilities are widening for all of us to create through AI tools.
[00:09:46] Dmitri: Yeah. So the DJ era that you're using as a name for chapter one was really like, uh, optimizing for creation through drag and drop through samples, et cetera.
[00:09:56] Dot: That's right.
[00:09:57] Dmitri: The creator chapter was then tools for amplification, monetization beyond that and creating like a pathway to where this could actually be a livelihood, a career, a business model.
And then AI is almost like going back to the creation side the way we have in chapter one, but in a way that's. far beyond drag and dropper sample, it's like, it feels like creating from, obviously you're not creating from scratch, but it feels like you can create anything. you're not as limited to the boxes that you've been given.
[00:10:27] Dot: It's infinite. It's infinite possibilities.
[00:10:31] Dmitri: Yeah.
[00:10:32] Dot: And too soon to say when and what the next wave is going to be. And whether it's in 5, 10, 15 years, that is going to be even more, or at least as transformative as ai. But this is certainly The chapter that we're in of this ongoing era of creative abundance.
[00:10:57] Dmitri: Yeah. Got it. Great. So let me ask you this, what, from your career, I'd like to hear a little bit more from you about, your entrepreneurial path that helps you come to this theory about the age of abundance.
[00:11:08] Dot: Sure. let's go chronologically. we touched on my decade at Apple. That began, in the year 2000, bringing Logic Pro to market.
technically that chapter began at the extremely pioneering German startup, Emagic, which developed Logic Pro and then was acquired by Apple. Emagic, I'd happily fill the rest of this conversation about Emagic. It was a true culture of passion. We knew we were pioneering ways to produce music with so many firsts, as far as music software tools.
We had the first visual virtual instrument, the ES one, that made. Extremely dope bass sounds.
[00:11:57] Dmitri: Mm-hmm.
[00:11:57] Dot: we had the first digital sampler, the EXS 24, and overall we had an entire recording studio on your laptop, which liberated musicians to create anywhere. In fact, some of our first professional musicians were,
touring musicians because they just needed their laptop and that little blue dongle. I'm sure you remember that.
[00:12:25] Dmitri: Mm-hmm.
[00:12:25] Dot: You didn't need the pro tools, inbox. You didn't need an external hardware. So we had an entire studio on your laptop, and this was even before Apple, purchased the company.
Then of course, you, Well, can I add one more about what was so famous about logic at that time,
[00:12:44] Dmitri: of course.
[00:12:44] Dot: Besides how complicated it was to use.
[00:12:46] Dmitri: Yeah, of course.
[00:12:46] Dot: Uh, our quantization capabilities were well known. Logic could make that machine groove like a human, no matter how messy your performance, you could quantize that feel to be as funky as Bootsy Collins.
So then Apple acquired, our company and logic was inserted into the Apple. Culture of excellence where we could accelerate a product roadmap and turn that, intimidating Logic Pro interface into a more accessible user interface. and then, well, we don't need to go too much more into Our offspring, Garageband, which had been, Steve Jobs request when we, were acquired to make a free, easy version of logic.
And that, of course is GarageBand.
[00:13:37] Dmitri: Yeah. So you were building these tools that
[00:13:39] Dot: Yeah.
[00:13:39] Dmitri: Were creating that DJ phase that you were talking about, really?
[00:13:42] Dot: Yes, exactly.
[00:13:43] Dmitri: Yeah. So where'd you go from there?
[00:13:45] Dot: So, after that chapter, I brought to Market Loupe, which was born from a very simple idea, if we can stream music, why not stream digital art?
And bring the technology of music streaming to visual art and create, a compliment to the experience of listening to music. For the two plus billion people who actively stream music, give them something to do with their TV besides a black screen or sports. And in the process, give visual artists. This new opportunity for discoverability.
So we built a streaming platform with visual art playlist by mood, vibe, color, holiday, and on some of our TV platforms, the music was directly synced. We patented the technology streamed on, as you mentioned, 14 TV platforms. We reached number one lifestyle app on Apple TV in 79 countries before selling the company in 2024.
So what I'll say about the journey of Loupe is that. I borrowed from the abundance that I saw in another creative industry, the one that I knew well of the music industry and borrowed the technology. So abundance, creative, abundance, created a new opportunity and inspired an opportunity.
[00:15:16] Dmitri: Amazing.
Perfect. This is a great context. We've now got your theory of the age of abundance. We've got a little background on how you got there and we have to take a quick break, but when we come back, let's start applying this to startups. I'm really curious to hear what advice you have there. We'll be right back.
Okay, we're back dot And I love the picture that you painted for the age of abundance as well as your background and how it got you there. In this context of the age of abundance, what advice would you give to a startup that's building for creators?
[00:15:49] Dot: I'm gonna say, think first, second, and always about the creator economy and its cultural meaning.
Think about the value proposition of your service, of your platform for creators. The value as in the financial value proposition creators are culturally important. The heroes of culture and. Make sure whatever tools, service product you have in mind is thinking first second and always about the creators.
And by all means, have an artist advisory board, whether it's formal or informal, with a thoughtful choice of artists whose opinions, ears, eyes will bring value to. The critical stages of your business roadmap and their validation is essential. How they're processing what you're bringing to market is very important.
It matters.
[00:16:55] Dmitri: Yeah. Yeah, it makes a lot of sense. how do you think startup founders should be thinking in a moment where AI creators are building startup competitors in mere hours? That's another
[00:17:05] Dot: mm-hmm.
[00:17:05] Dmitri: Piece of this, right? The abundance doesn't just happen for artists and creators.
It also happens for startup founders too. and what do founders need to do to succeed in that context? When people are building. Potential competitor startups with vibe, coding, or other tools that get them there faster?
[00:17:21] Dot: Well, my answer is, possibly going to be disappointing, but hopefully reassuring and, please, please disagree.
interrupt me if you do. How should startup founders be thinking about how to succeed in this context? The same principles of success that mattered before the reign of ai and. If it would be okay, I am gonna share a little personal, piece of history.
[00:17:52] Dmitri: Absolutely.
[00:17:52] Dot: When I was getting ready to found Loupe, we're talking about 2015.
I reached out to a former Apple executive that I had met once when I was demoing Logic Pro at a NAMM show. his name, is Sina Tamaddon. And, I always remember how honored I was when he acknowledged my demoing at NAMM. Thanked me. So I'm like, you know what? I'm gonna reach out and see what advice he has for me starting this company, and the insights that he gave me at that time in 2015, I put on a post-it.
They fit on a post-It what he said, very concise with his words. And I left that post-it on my laptop for an entire year as a reminder of principles and, it was four pieces of advice in this order, your content, make sure your content is of the highest quality. Number two, make it easy to use.
Number three, your business model. Number four, remain loyal to your idea.
[00:19:08] Dmitri: Hmm.
[00:19:09] Dot: Now let's talk about his first one for just a minute. When he said the importance of your content, and that was the first thing he said. you know, the phrase content is king.
[00:19:21] Dmitri: Yeah, absolutely.
[00:19:22] Dot: You know where it came from.
[00:19:23] Dmitri: I do not.
[00:19:24] Dot: In 1996, bill Gates wrote an essay titled Content Is King. He was looking at the looming internet and he predicted that what was gonna be the most important driver of value and revenue was going to be relevant, engaging content. And of course, you know he's worth $3.6 trillion. I appreciate his words.
to make it easy to use, duh, that's obvious. So if it is so obvious, why are there so many poor, messy user interfaces? So it is worth saying again. and that sure could sum up Apple's success with that mission and vision. As far as the business model, prioritizing revenue daily cannot say that enough.
To founders. Product is fun. Speaking at events is fun, but what are you doing daily? How many hours are you spending? In your day, focusing on the revenue, the fuel, the oxygen of your company, how much time are you spending studying the models for media and entertainment services for apps and platforms?
Really thinking through, oh, we're gonna have a subscription model. Oh, we're gonna have advertising. How much are you thinking through how that's gonna translate and be effective? For your new, whatever it is.
[00:21:04] Dmitri: Hmm.
[00:21:05] Dot: these, all of these options are very, very difficult. It's not as simple as saying, oh, we're gonna have a subscription for 5 99 or 1599.
Okay? How are you gonna drive your direct to consumer awareness for that subscription model? All of this takes daily attention, like your physical exercise and remain loyal to your idea. I didn't ask, Sina. Why he included that is one of his four important reminders to me. But I thought about it a lot during the journey of, Loupe as you get all these opportunities to pivot.
And are you remaining loyal to the essence of why you went forward with building this company?
[00:21:56] Dmitri: Why was that important to you specifically? I wanna understand that a little more.
I guess the reason I ask, Dot, is because there's a lot of conversation about finding, product market fit, and there's certain moments when you have to pivot, but it's interesting, to think like, well, how do you know when to pivot and that pivoting may chip into being loyal to your original idea?
Or maybe it's being able to say, what does loyal to my original idea really mean?
[00:22:21] Dot: The question is the answer.
[00:22:23] Dmitri: Ooh, I love that.
[00:22:24] Dot: that is a personal and an individual consideration that will keep you up at night, balancing remaining loyal to your why. And recognizing the complexity of the evolution of, scaling your business and it. in some ways, some things do get easier over time, because you sort of get a feel for the complexity of key employees coming and going and no longer being key employees of investors having this and that feedback for you.
some of that you sort of get the hang of how to navigate that. and a lot of it doesn't. It's just, it gets more and more complex. It can get more and more fun when you start seeing the reward of your product really being on the market and the response from people loving it. But these are.
Complex personal conversations of how much you want to stay loyal to your original idea. But you can choose not to. But be aware of that original why for yourself, 'cause you'll be working such. Long hours on what you've built. and I personally add two other pillars of success, though there are so many pillars of success to think about how to be successful in this age of creative abundance.
I spoke about one and that is looking at market adjacencies. Where we're talking to a. Primarily music focused audience But look around. Look at the film industry. Look at the design. Look at the fashion industry. Look at culture itself. Look at game development and borrow where you can. Be inspired where you can from themes, breakthroughs that you see.
obviously that was at the core of what I was able to do with Loupe and with that remaining loyal to your idea, sort of a sidestep from that is just. Developing resilience. and I say that with the utmost of intention. Resilience was a principle of the stoics 2000 years ago, and there's been, a, in Rome and Greece and there's been a big resurgence.
In this philosophy of, resilience in the face of obstacles and setbacks and personal setbacks and, Marcus Aurelius spoke about what stands in the way becomes the way, and when you really embrace that sense of just responding to the daily obstacles and then the really. Big obstacles.
That's how you can succeed as a startup.
[00:25:30] Dmitri: Wow. I love your broad philosophical view and how you bring it right into where music and tech startups are, but also bring it back to the human experience and the existential questions that tap into it. It's amazing. Dot, we have to take one more quick break, and I love this widening out.
I actually wanna widen out and find out from you about what opportunities you see emerging in the music landscape. We'll be right back.
Okay. This has been amazing. Dot, I really feel like you went deeper and further than I was expecting. a podcast conversation. To go so quickly, when you look at the music landscape, I wanna get a little more specific. What opportunities do you see for new businesses?
[00:26:13] Dot: Sure. AI is creating new markets and new opportunities faster than it's taking away jobs.
[00:26:22] Dmitri: Hmm.
[00:26:23] Dot: So the more you can look around. Listen to your audio books, be around other industries and stay current with everything that's happening. The more you can borrow from and contribute to, I haven't given up on the immersive industry. there's gonna be some interesting smart class announcements in the next year, or.
Two, love the whole mission of immersive tech in engaging with us as, XR engaging with us as spatial beings and that, we certainly hear sound from behind us. Above us. All around us are peripheral. Just like our peripheral vision and immersive tech, like ar glasses, like going to the sphere in Vegas, that is really,
communicating with us as spatial beings. So I'm just parking, pay attention to immersive. It's an interesting space. but when we look at, the impact of ai, when I say look outside the music industry for indications to understand and stay aware of, there's, you know, lots of buzzwords. Some will stick, some won't.
the agentic web, there is going to be. A evolution of this chapter of the internet itself. the agentic web is being talked about in marketing and advertising. as far as, Humanized AI agents, that will be helping us all navigate the internet. We already have all of our wonderful tools that we use from, Chat GPT to perplexity to cloud that are, pulling answers for us online differently than coming up on a Google search.
So, uh, there's a term, I don't know how big it's gonna become of a EO answer engine optimization, a derivative playing off of SEO search engine optimization. But what is going to over time cause you to come up on an AI agent's search?
[00:28:44] Dmitri: Yeah, we're actually at Rock paper Scissors. We're already offering a we call it GEO, generative AI engine optimization.
But you're right on target there as well. Yeah.
[00:28:54] Dot: And, uh, okay. Yeah, go
[00:28:56] Dmitri: ahead.
[00:28:57] Dot: I was just gonna drop in humanized AI agents. Uh,
[00:29:01] Dmitri: yeah,
[00:29:01] Dot: I think everyone listening to this podcast is using one, form of Chat GPT or another, we're gonna move beyond the text prompt at some point to, AI agents that have a face and a voice, but the power of a text prompt, but can emulate the positive human traits and behaviors and communication styles and be more empathetic.
[00:29:26] Dmitri: No, this is great. That's great. we've had other guests, like Cliff Flue, and Vicki Nauman talk about the importance of looking at these parallel universes, these other industries as a way, and I like your example, you know. from Loupe, from your startup where you were in music and you applied it to art, but you're also saying, look at these other industries and apply it to music.
It goes both directions. you know, the way people respond and react and interact with technology or processes or creativity doesn't stay within a, a medium. And so it makes sense to look broader.
[00:29:59] Dot: Hopefully soon we're gonna start to see new, meaningful, authentic genres, new genres of music, new genres of art that, don't all look so mid journey ish, that are authentically new creative genres that these tools are making possible.
[00:30:21] Dmitri: Absolutely, there's gonna be things that occur that are gonna feel like they have an element of randomness, not an element of sameness. When artists truly get control of how to play with them, how to break them, how to hack them, how to do things with them, that. They weren't even built for. That's when the real creativity comes.
That's when the new genres and scenes emerge, which will be super exciting. Okay. dot, this has been a blast. we've covered a lot of ground, gotten very philosophical, gotten very specific and tactical, which is awesome. One thing we love to do on the podcast is expand our network. I'm wondering if you could share any companies or people in the music tech space or maybe parallel universes that you wanna share with our.
Listeners, obviously extra points for turning us onto the companies we've never heard of.
[00:31:04] Dot: I love extra points. Okay. I'm gonna start with colors on YouTube. Colors X Studios. Are you familiar with this YouTube channel with 9 million
[00:31:15] Dmitri: I am
[00:31:15] Dot: subscribers.
[00:31:16] Dmitri: Yeah. tell us more.
[00:31:17] Dot: absolutely phenomenal. it's these, I'm not gonna call them music videos.
The artist is performing against a single. Color background, up close and personal, and it's the cleanest, minimal, raw format that just lets the performance shine and it's just so well done and such a cool way to discover new music artists. It's from Berlin Colors. do I get the gold Star for that one, or are you already familiar?
Yeah,
[00:31:51] Dmitri: give you a gold star for that one for sure.
[00:31:52] Dot: Okay, thanks. on the, we gotta go to some cool AI tools. are you familiar with data Mind Audio? They have a plugin
[00:32:01] Dmitri: I've heard of data mine. Yeah.
[00:32:02] Dot: But ator.
[00:32:03] Dmitri: Yep.
[00:32:04] Dot: Okay. All right. No gold star for them, but
[00:32:06] Dmitri: that's okay.
[00:32:06] Dot: Um, definitely. Cool. another AI tool that a buddy who's an engineer at Tyler Perry Studio, swears by it's speeding up his workflow, 30 to 40% to clean up dialogue. maybe we'll try it on this podcast. Ascentis dx, revive and Chameleon. And hush audio.
[00:32:28] Dmitri: Okay. You definitely get stars for those.
I don't know those
[00:32:30] Dot: who hoo.
[00:32:30] Dmitri: So the what? What's the company called?
[00:32:33] Dot: well, it's two companies. One is,
[00:32:35] Dmitri: oh, okay.
[00:32:36] Dot: Ais, A-C-C-E-N-T-I-Z-E. And another one is Hush Audio.
[00:32:41] Dmitri: Hush Audio. They're both doing that dialogue cleanup.
[00:32:44] Dot: They're both doing dialogue cleanup. You can tune how much room sound you want. You can match reverbs effects.
can That's cool. Connect you with the. Engineer who swears by them. And if I may, give a plug for a favorite, very pioneering AI tool. Beethoven ai,
[00:33:05] Dmitri: of course.
[00:33:06] Dot: Uh, these are a suite of AI music tools. That are, ethically trained, fully licensed training data for musicians and, outside of the Gen AI tools, we have a whole bunch of, tools for labels and publishers and rights holders to generate instantaneously the metadata to help you search and manage your catalogs.
the team is exceptional. And, a big fan of the company and it's an honor to be supporting them.
[00:33:39] Dmitri: Yes, and you can hear Monsour, the founder of Beethoven on last week's episode of Music Tectonics. Tristan New Year, Jager interviewed him. So if you missed that episode, go back and you can hear about that dot.
I understand you're, advising on that one. We're doing PR on that one as well. So it's all in the family here. but definitely check out Beethoven Dot. This has been great. Dot Bustelo. Thank you for sharing your thoughts on, the age of creative abundance and advice startups can take from that and where things are going.
Opportunities that are coming up. It's been a blast talking to you.
[00:34:10] Dot: Thank you so much for having me, Dimitri. I really appreciate it.
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The Music Tectonics podcast goes beneath the surface of the music industry to explore how technology is changing the way business gets done. Weekly episodes include interviews with music tech movers & shakers, deep dives into seismic shifts, and more.
